maverick wrote:

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I'd like to gauge how realistic these Cal fans are.

Me too..................so here's a new Poll Question:

Will Cal play in a Rose Bowl again before the sun burns out?

No you guys aren't even discussing Miami and Cal. All you are doing is trying to diss Cal just because we beat you. Grow a sack and take a loss like a man. And Trojan Man is still as insignificant as ever.

drrover:

Cal is not faster or more phsyical. But they were better prepared. That's why Hurricane Nation is being shook up. The o-coordinator is gone. The less than committed Mavre is being given his release. And those who understand, are questioning if change is needed at the top with Shannon.

Perhaps we are in a better place, because with your victory Cal will be unwilling to make the changes they need to reach the BCS. You're not the first to question your o-coordinator's play calling. Perhaps Cal too needs to make a change.

Yes, we all concede that a National Powerhouse doesn't lose to a team like Cal. That's why we need to get to work and make the necessary changes, so that we don't suffer such an indignity ever again.

You are wrong to think that we secretly give the Canes credit for the close Emerald Bowl score. We don't do moral victories in Miami. We accept that we lost, to a team we had no business losing to. And we accept that loss as a wake-up-call, to change the course of direction.

You have your beliefs, and I have mine. And I KNOW FOR A FACT that Miami will be playing in a BCS bowl long before your team. Admit it, Cal may have finished with 9 wins but your team has plateaued. For 6 straight years you've gone to mid-tier bowls. Tedford has taken you as far as he can. You need someone else to take you to that next level. As a program, Cal may have been better off losing to Miami so that the whispers of needed change would be heard.

GO CANES!

I can't get over the length and longevity of this thread. I must say the Miami-California matchup generated enthusiasm in an otherwise ho-hum bowl season.

Can't help but check out the other GatorsFirst bowl previews. Did ten of them, and here they are ranked according to number of posted comments (as of 12/31 at 1pm CST - HALF DAY AT WORK IS OVER, TIME TO GET HOME AND WATCH SOME COLLEGE FOOTBALL!)

10)Fiesta Bowl = 0 posts
9) Rose Bowl = 0 posts
8) Sugar Bowl = 3 posts
7) Cotton Bowl = 3 posts
6) Chick-Fil-A Bowl = 6 posts
5) Poinsettia Bowl = 7 posts
4) Holiday Bowl = 8 posts
3) BCS Championship Game = 10 posts
2) Capital One Bowl = 16 posts
1) Emerald Bowl = 402 posts

The NCAA sure put Miami & Cal in the right bowl game, because YOU ALL ARE NUTS!

Here are the page impressions for each of those articles:

10) Fiesta Bowl - 250
9) Chick-Fil-A Bowl - 255
8) Sugar Bowl - 279
7) Rose Bowl - 350
6) Cotton Bowl - 416
5) BCS Championship Game - 482
4) Capital One Bowl - 541
3) Holiday Bowl - 687
2) Poinsettia Bowl - 1274
1) Emerald Bowl - 2721

If you notice, the last three have already been played, so that's why there's been a ton of activity. I'm sure the Florida game will trump that, but it's nice to see all of the posts for this game!

pacX wrote:

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Trojan Man is still as insignificant as ever.

Since Cal's NC in 1937, USC has won national championships in:
1939, 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978, 2003, & 2004.

In total, USC Football has won 11 National Championships.........dwarfing Miami's claim of 5 NCs.

Hey pacX and Cal fan, don't you wish you could be that "insignificant"?

And Mr. Football - CAL LACKS NUTS!

Trojan Man - don't forget to share: USC has suffered only three losing seasons since 1961 and has captured 37 Pac-10 titles.............twice as many conference championships as any other Pac-10 member team.

We are not "insignificant". WE ARE SC!

"A Perfect Day"..................SWEET!

For all you ignorant Cal fans & pacXers, a "Perfect Day" for any USC fan is a USC win coupled with losses by Notre Dame and UCLA.

The last regular season "Perfect Day" occurred on November 8, 2008, when USC beat California (fancy that!), UCLA lost to Oregon State, and Notre Dame lost to Boston College.

NOTE: A Perfect Day does not require a loss by Cal. Why? Because Cal is too insignificant to be our rival.

Carroll vs Tedford = 6 Wins & 1 Loss in favor of the Trojans

That's not a rivalry. That's called dominating your bitch (as first worded so eloquently by pacX).

maverick wrote:

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Emerald Bowl.........there's been a ton of activity. I'm sure the Florida game will trump that, but it's nice to see all of the posts for this game!

The Florida game will pick up 400 posts in the next week? Highly doubtful.

Time to admit, the college football nation cares more about The U than Gatorville.

PacX is now 4-0 and still counting. Bears had a better team, overall, than the Canes. Canes had 5 bonehead players thrown out while Cal only had 1. Cal wins without a quarterback. OSU wins over Pitt without Rogers. Cal has the best academics in the world; period. What more is there to discuss?? Scoreboard baby. East Coast bias is all talk. Cal is the best university in the world counting both academics and athletics. SC in a walk over Penn State in the Rose Bowl. PacX rules and the Bears will be a top ten team next year. Props to the Canes for a great game and especially to their young QB who is going to be one of their best players of all time.

76bearsfly wrote:

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Bonehead players thrown out.........Cal only had 1.

On what basis are you labeling Tracy Slocum a "bonehead"? Are you aware of his infraction?

The Emerald Bowl drew a 4.63 rating on ESPN. That’s a huge number. It sets an Emerald record, and should make Cal-Miami one of the 10 or 12 most-watched bowl.

Conclusion:
Cal put fannies in the seats of AT&T Park.
Miami still draws people in to turn on their TV sets.

Why are SC fans here? All you are doing is showing off. Go away we don's care about your resume. Miami also acts as if Cal is terrible or something but we haven't reached a plateau or anything we are just in the same conference as SC. Which takes all the talent yadda yadda. You guys just remember the old Cal program that had consistent losing seasons. We aren't like that anymore so get it out of your head. I don't think you guys know much about Pac 10 football but I do know that the ACC is doing TERRIBLE in it's bowl games. What 1 win? against NAVY?

maverick wrote:

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dmd wrote:

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And the Emerald Bowl will get great TV ratings, because nationally people tune in to the ACC (not the Pac10).

Let be honest, this game won't get good TV ratings, however I've seen weirder things happen. Hell, I don't even know how we got the world largest Cal/Miami debate going, but it happened!

See the post from The South Will Rise. Let's be honest. I predicted big TV ratings, and Miami delivered! Nationally people tuned in to see Miami. Sadly Miami did not represent.

Your cyber debate happened because people care about Miami football. And it has continued post-game, because people are struggling to grasp how Miami could have ever lost to Cal. Seeing Cal does not make one a believer in Cal.

You read these Cal posts and you would think Cal dominated the game. But total yards were about even (313 to 338) as was the score. However, the score should not have been close. Miami should have won going away. Miami dominated first downs (17 - 11) and time of possession (+7 minutes). Where Miami failed was that they gave up BIG PLAYS to the BAD BEARS. These big plays skewed Cal's offensive stats and the final score.

Bottom Line: Losing to Cal is not the way we do things at Miami. Perhaps the defensive coordinator needs to go as well!

pacX wrote:

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I do know that the ACC is doing TERRIBLE in it's bowl games. What 1 win? against NAVY?

pacX must have missed the big can of whoop ass Florida State opened up on Wisconsin.....................it was THE GAME that led into the Emerald Bowl on ESPN, and likely helped deliver the viewers and BIG TV RATINGS for the Emerald Bowl.

Two years ago Florida State took out that same can of whoop ass against UCLA in the Emerald Bowl. UCLA, UC Berkeley, all the same..................pacific coast cupcakes. Be thankful you got the Hurricanes and not the Seminoles in this year's SF Bowl Game. If you had gotten FSU, I guarantee you the trophy would be back in Tallassee.

Ha ha ha ha. Pac 10 is now 4-0 in bowl games (soon to be 5-0 if USC can deliver). ACC is 3-4 after an embarrassing loss by BC to the lowly Commodores. Vandy is a terrible team so what does it say about the ACC that their second best team couldn't win that game.

Well, it says that the ACC is terrible. For the idiots who think Miami could have won "going away," did you see the game? Cal did it's best not to blow them out but still dominated on both sides of the ball and on the scoreboard. Had Longshore not fallen down this would have been a 3 TD game for Cal. Miami will forever be looking up at Cal. Watch out for the bears, they aren't going away. I love that you say that the big plays "skewed" Cal's stats. The missed calls by the referees "skewed" Miami's stats. The roughing the kicker call was completely bogus (and enabled Miami to mount a drive and score one of their 2 measly touchdowns). Without that bad call, Miami has around 220 yards of offense. Also, getting 40 yards on the last drive wasn't really meaningful since everyone knew the game was over. Miami was lucky to break 200 yards of total offense.

Also, the 3rd and 6 play during Miami's first scoring drive was bullshit. Face it, Miami is a has been, Cal was the dominant team in that game.

Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks this. Shannon fired his OC, Marve is leaving because he knows Miami is spiraling into the toilet. You losers may need to pick a new team. I think it's not too late to jump on the University of South Florida bandwagon. They are at least in a real conference!

The Bowl Challenge Cup was created by ESPN in 2002 as a competition among the conferences in the Football Bowl Subdivision, during the college bowl season. In order to qualify to win the trophy, a conference has to have the highest winning percentage with a minimum of three teams from that conference.

ESPN Bowl Challenge Cup Winners
YEAR CONFERENCE W-L PCT.
2007-08 Mountain West 4-1 .800
2006-07 Big East 5-0 1.000
2005-06 Atlantic Coast 5-3 .625
Big 12 5-3 .625
2004-05 Mountain West 2-1 .667
2003-04 Atlantic Coast 5-1 .833
2002-03 Big Ten 5-2 .714

So, how many people consider the MWC to be the toughest football conference last year? Or the Big East the year before?

No sane and knowledgeable college football fan would rank the MWC or Big East as dominant conferences.

Bowl victories have much to do about conference affiliations. Take the Holiday Bowl. The Pac-10 should win it every year, because it basically matches the #2 team from the Pac-10 against the #5 team from the Big 12. I would have been shocked if Oregon didn't beat OK State yesterday. But that hardly means the Pac-10 is a tougher or better football conference than the Big 12. Similarly, the Emerald Bowl featured Pac-10 #4 vs ACC #7. Cal's victory hardly proved Pac-10 superiority. It just proved that it could beat the ACC's #7 team "at home" despite losing earlier in the year to the ACC's #8 team "on the road".

The Pac-10 likely will collect the ESPN Bowl Challenge trophy this year. Meanwhile either a SEC or Big 12 team will collect the BCS championship trophy. I wonder which trophy means more to Conference Commissioners?

Mr. Football wrote:

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Take the Holiday Bowl. The Pac-10 should win it every year, because it basically matches the #2 team from the Pac-10 against the #5 team from the Big 12.

I take exception. Your premise is that the Pac-10's #2 is better than the Big-12's #4/5. But I disagree with that assumption, and the recent results have proven you wrong.

Big 12 Holiday Bowl Victories:
'07 Texas over ASU
'05 Oklahoma over Oregon
'04 Texas Tech over Cal
'02 KSU over ASU
'01 Texas over Washington

Since Y2K, the Big 12 has gone 5-4 in the Holiday Bowl. That tells me the Pac-10 #2 is merely a "top third" Big-12 school.

Year in and year out, the Pac-10 fails to measure up to the Big 12. What's hilarious is that this year the Pac-10 failed to measure up to the Mountain West.

GO HUSKERS - add to the ACC's misery, and beat Clemson!

6 years of Bowl Challenge Trophies, and no SEC titles and just 1 shared Big12 title?!? Darn right that bowl wins/losses is no legitimate measuring stick for conference supremacy.

go clemson................beat the huskers

miami fans - you will get over losing to cal

i felt lousy for about a month, after clemson lost to cal in the 1992 citrus bowl

i know what you mean

can't fathom losing to cal and then it unexplicably happens

cal thinks they're on the verge of greatness, but the reality is that they've never been able to turn the corner and take it to the next level

since beating us in 1992, cal has not yet played again on new years day

so miami fans - you can be confident that you'll return to greatness well before the bears even sniff it

Best is Best wrote:

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Ha ha ha ha. Pac 10 is now 4-0 in bowl games

WOW - the Pac 10 has played 4 of their 5 bowl games before New Years Day! That's comparable to the WAC, MAC, MWC, & Conference USA. Such elite company. Ha ha ha ha.

Ps - where's the original goose been? Isn't he to be blamed for this ongoing brawl? What's up? His preview and prediction triggered all this, and then he runs and hides?

Damn straight............it's all about New Years Day! (or later, in this bizzaro BCS world)

8 of 12 SEC teams went bowling. Through New Years Eve, only 2 of the 8 have played. That's what I'm talking about. That's a power football conference.

Sorry Pacificers, your conference just doesn't measure up. Your 4-0 record ain't worth sh+t. I'm much more impressed with the SEC's 2-0 mark. Well done Vandy & LSU. And we all know both Vandy & LSU would have destroyed Cal in their backyard bowl game.

Happy New Year Everyone! (less than an hour to go)
With the New Year, some things still won't change:
Cal will still be in the weak Pac-10.
Cal will still fail to win the weak Pac-10.
Cal will still manage to win some mid-tier bowl.
Cal fan will still revel in their coach's domination of said mid-tier bowls, and claim "next year is THE YEAR".

OUT!

pacX wrote:

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Why are SC fans here? All you are doing is showing off.

IT'S NOT BRAGGING IF IT'S TRUE!

WE ARE SC!

You know what else is true? 90% of USC's team doesn't know who Joe Biden is.
http://usc.fandome.com/video/108035/USC-Players-Are-Not-Smart/?q=k

Goose is in New Zealand. He'll be back on the 5th or 6th.

Canes Cometh, I appreciate and respect your post. Thanks.

For other less respectful Canes fans, you need to follow college football west of the Mississippi. You try to talk about Cal as if they have had no place in the national picture. You fail to realize that, since Miami's Orange Bowl win in '03, Cal has finished ahead of Miami in the polls in four of the last five years.

2004: Cal #9, Miami #11
2005: Miami #17, Cal #25
2006: Cal #14, Miami unranked with no votes
2007: Cal #32, Miami unranked with no votes
2008: Cal #31, beats Miami (unranked with no votes)

So, in the final analysis, Miami fans shouldn't act surprised that they lost to Cal in the Emerald Bowl. Cal has consistently been the better program over the past five years.

Trojan Man, strong pull with the Joe Kapp article. No way can I come back when you pull SC football records. As much as it bothers me to say this, I cannot deny SC's place as probably college football's greatest program. I just find it surprising that you'd jump on this Gator website to trash Cal on an Emerald Bowl thread. Any explanation?

Oh, and I wouldn't blame Cal for the lack of a bump when the Trojans beat the Bears. The media was lost in the Oklahoma/Texas/Texas Tech/Florida/Alabama soap opera.

You guys are funny. Cal had no QB and basically thumped the "U" in what was a rebuilding year.


The ACC is a joke. UO, OSU, or UA woul win it your conf and so would Cal.

SC fan = Amy-light (get a life toejam-queen).

Jan 1. Bowling blah, blah, - newsflash, the Pac-10 has an inept commissioner and leadership and sh%tty bowl games along poor tv contracts are familiar to the landscape. next.

Tedford has turned Cal into a top-25 program and puts out a better NFL product than most if not all of your teams.


SEC is over-hyped. Since 1990, PX > SEC H2H.


Best is the most dynamic player in the country - deal with it.


CA is tops in FB. Sorry TX, sorry FL.



West siiiiiiiiiide.

I will gladly add to the "will Cal get to the Rose Bowl before the sun burns out?" discussion by saying that Cal should have gone to the Rose Bowl in '04 and '06.

In '06 USC's 13-9 loss at UCLA bumped them out of the BCSCG. Cal, the conference co-champ, moved down to the Holiday Bowl when USC went to the Rose Bowl. Cal throttled #21 Texas A&M 45-10.

In '04, Mack Brown begged and pleaded for the media to give the #5 Longhorns more love and get a BCS bid. He got his wish, moving ahead of Cal in the BCS standings even though Cal and Texas remained #4 and #5, respectively. As a result, Cal was left out of a BCS bid (Utah went to the Fiesta Bowl) and grudgingly accepted the Holiday Bowl bid. They played deflated and without the top 3 WRs on their depth chart, losing 45-31 to an inspired Texas Tech squad.

In sum, Cal has been worthy twice in the last four years. It's not too far a reach to see Cal get there in the future, and for Joe Kapp to finalize taste his beloved tequila.

Okay, I meant "finally" taste his beloved tequila. I'm distracted by USC's throttling of Penn State.

tiger rag, let's compare programs over the last six years (2003-08):

Cal
Overall record: 52-25 (.675)
Bowl record: 5-1
Top 25 final rankings: 3 (#9 in '04, #25 in '05, #14 in '06) - maybe a fourth this year
Top 15 final rankings: 2
Top 10 final rankings: 1

Clemson
Overall record: 47-28 (.627)
Bowl record: 3-3
Top 25 rankings: 3 (#22 in '03, #21 in '05, #22 in '07)
Top 15 rankings: 0
Top 10 rankings: 0

tiger rag, Cal is better than Clemson, too. And, yes, the Bears throttled your overrated Tigers 37-13 in the Citrus Bowl, when Russell White gained over 100 yards on the ground against your nation's #1 ranked rush defense. I remember it well. Your purple jerseys were powerless against the faster, more physical, and better prepared Bears. It wasn't even close.

The reason you felt "lousy" is because you couldn't "fathom" good football anywhere outside the southeastern United States. Well, break out the Pepto, again, my friend.

Seminole Sam (what is this, an ACC group hug?) -

Nice reference to your Emerald Bowl win in '06. The '06 Bears would have throttled your unranked 7-6 Seminoles that year, but #14 Cal was far more content throttling a better opponent in then-#21 Texas A&M.

Cal
Overall record: 52-25 (.675)
Bowl record: 5-1
Top 25 final rankings: 3 (#9 in '04, #25 in '05, #14 in '06) - maybe a fourth this year
Top 15 final rankings: 2
Top 10 final rankings: 1

Florida State
Overall record: 50-27 (.649)
Bowl record: 3-3
Top 25 final rankings: 3 (#10 in '03, #14 in '04, #23 in '05) - maybe a fourth this year
Top 15 final rankings: 2
Top 10 final rankings: 1

Guess what? Cal has been at least as good as Florida State over the past 6 years, if not better.

When will you ACC fans wake up and realize that Cal's not the same bottom feeder program it once was before Jeff Tedford arrived?

BTW, It's official: the Pac-10 is 5-0 in bowl games, beating #8 Penn State, #13 Oklahoma State, #16 BYU, #20 Pitt, and, of course, Miami.

DAMN drrover you brought the thunder.

NIce post drrover! I'm amazed at the ignorance of Southern people about West Coast football..When I read comments like
"losing to Cal is embarrassing" i figure these people must be stuck in some sort of time warp.

Co-PacX champs in 06, ranked in the top ten at some point in 4 of the last 6 seasons and THEY are embarrassed? It's almost funny if it wasn't so sad..

And for the SC posers on this board, even real SC alumni and fans would never be ignorant enough to dis their conference or root against their conference teams during bowl season as a strong PacX makes SC look even stronger. And sucking up to Florida people on an Emerald Bowl site? Hilarious.....

No need to "suck up". I think it's just understood that Florida is a very good team.

Speaking of embarassment, it's a shame that Alabama is the best team that the SEC could put forth against Utah in the Sugar Bowl. More evidence of the decline of football in the south. The West will Rise apparently.

Go Utes, go west coast football! Down with the south.

DAMN!!! Alabama got TOLD by Utah. But I'm sure these SEC and ACC fans will come up with some B.S like Alabama got side swiped blah blah blah. They just can't accept a team from the west is better than them.

We'll see after the national championship game.

What are your thoughts on this...

nye past glory.

Not to dis Miami, Maverick, but how many of those players played for the U in the past 5 years? (I'll admit I don't know) No one is denying how good Miami was but a bunch of posters on this board seem to think that Miami has been pumping out Pro Bowlers every year since..Cal will have their share as well with Namdi Asomghwa, and hopefully Marshawn Lynch, DeSean Jackson, and a few others soon but people out your way just can't accept the fact that Cal isn't the weak team we were up to 2001. Knowledgeable they ain't!

egbear wrote:

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Not to dis Miami, Maverick, but how many of those players played for the U in the past 5 years? (I'll admit I don't know) No one is denying how good Miami was but a bunch of posters on this board seem to think that Miami has been pumping out Pro Bowlers every year since

Very true. Off the top of my head, I think Beason is the only recent one.

In reality, Miami hasn't been any good since Ken Dorsey graduated.

Our live blog of the Fiesta bowl will happen at 7:45pm, Monday night. Feel free to join us to discuss the game, or if you have any question.
http://gatorsfirst.com/index.php/college-football/college-football/fiesta-bowl-live-blog.html

Click here to check out the latest Miami Hurricanes thread!

7 Canes are going to the Pro Bowl this year.

There certainly are a lot of former hurricanes in the pro bowl. I can tell you this, no one who is currently on Miami's roster will end up in the pro bowl. The team is slow and not that talented. Cal has continued to crank out NFL players over the last 5 years (whereas Miami's output has been decreasing).

Enjoy your past glory, you're not going to have much to enjoy in the future. Being in a basketball-only conference is no way to build a football program, just ask the Big East. Wait, was Miami in the Big East too? I guess that's Miami's secret, avoiding the big dogs in the SEC or any other real football conference.

Way to go Bester. Hitch your Pac-10 pride wagon to Utah, from the Mountain West Conference........which this year owned the Pac-1 plus 9 other inconsequential schools. Why don't you claim the WAC's Bosie State as well. How does it make you feel, Bear fan, that Utah has 2 BCS Bowl victories and Boise has 1 BCS Bowl victory.............all during that time you brag about Tedford and his 5-1 record in mid-tier bowl games. Where would you rather have been last year, winning the Armed Forces Bowl against Air Force or being in Hawaii's shoes and losing to Georgia in the BCS Sugar Bowl. If you don't choose the latter, it's apparent you don't aim high enough.

Time to realign the conferences: the Pac-10 is overrepresented in the state of California. The Pac-10 should dump Cal (the Bay Area would still be represented by the more prestigious Stanford) and UCLA (keeping USC needs no explanation)........and replace them with Utah and Boise. The Pac-10 would become much more competitive and credible as a conference. And Cal could be in either the WAC or MWC where their goal of receiving a mid-tier bowl invite is better aligned.

Mr. Football wrote:

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I can't get over the length and longevity of this thread.
3) BCS Championship Game = 10 posts
2) Capital One Bowl = 16 posts
1) Emerald Bowl = 402 posts

maverick wrote:

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I'm sure the Florida game will trump that, but it's nice to see all of the posts for this game!

Nice to see that the BCS National Championship Game has caught everyone's attention and has now garnered 22 posts..........................while this trivial, already played, Emerald Bowl thread is now over 445 posts.

What's generating the traffic. The Cal fans that can't get over that their team doesn't have a BIG TIME history, is not currently BIG TIME, doesn't play in a BIG TIME conference, and doesn't appear to have BIG TIME aspirations. (Cal fans are rejoicing and dancing in the streets with the news that Coach Tedford has been given a 2 year extension through 2015. Over the next 7 years they expect to add to their display cases: 2 more Holiday Bowl trophies, 2 more Las Vegas Bowl trophies, 2 more Emerald Bowl trophies, and perhaps 1 highly coveted yet to date unattainable Sun Bowl Trophy.)

Like Cal, Miami is currently not BIG TIME. (U of Florida definitely holds that distinction.) But unlike Cal, Miami has a BIG TIME history, plays in a BIG TIME conference, and most important has BIG TIME aspirations. That is why Miami, even in defeat, has a brighter future.

maverick wrote:

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Goose is in New Zealand. He'll be back on the 5th or 6th.

Worse than I originally thought..................he started this and THEN FLED THE COUNTRY!

Interesting how THE NATION doesn't have Cal on their football radar. Yet Berkeley believes they've arrived!

Cal's irrelevant and losing to them is still not acceptable. Wasn't acceptable in the 80s, wasn't acceptable in the 90s, and still not acceptable in 2008/2009. Yet Cal fan, like a little dog that considers itself tough (ie: annoying yap and snap, but nothing more), can't see beyond their conference comfort zone. Because Cal thinks Cal's good, and perhaps because 0-12 Washington "feared the Bear", Cal fan can't understand why the rest of the country won't sip their blue & gold kool-aid. Cal tells us how relevant they are, while the rest of the country says NOT!

Get over it Berkeley. Losing to you is like losing to an Appalachian State. Not expected............and not accepted!

Are you guys gonna join us for our Fiesta Bowl live blog tonight? It should be fun. We'll be there all game to answer questions or just shoot the sh*t.

You guys crack me up. I can continue to post whatever I want to rile up a bunch of loser Hurricanes fans. You can cry yourself to sleep every night by telling yourself that Miami is taking this decade off and will return to prominence in a few short years.

Cal will be in a BCS bowl before Miami (despite having to jump over USC to get into one) whereas Miami will idle along by beating 4 basketball schools a year in the ACC. Have fun with that.

Also, for what it's worth, Utah barely squeezed by Oregon State, which was the 3rd best team in the Pac-10 this year, while they throttled Alabama from the all mighty south.

I fearlessly predict that Miami fans will continue to respond to my bullshit posts because they can't handle the fact that they are now irrelevant. EveryDayShouldBeSaturday didn't even acknowledge Miami's presence in a bowl game this year (and not just because it's another Florida fan site like this).

Let's review the bowl game records over the past five years:

Pac 10
2008 - 5-0
2007 - 4-2
2006 - 3-3
2005 - 3-2
2004 - 3-2
2003 - 4-2

Overall - 22-11, .667

ACC
2008 - 4-6
2007 - 2-6
2006 - 4-4
2005 - 5-3
2004 - 3-3
2003 - 5-1

Overall - 23-23, .500

Wow, a conference that beats its OOC bowl competition half of the time. If that's how you define, BIG TIME, well, okay. As long as you're happy ...

Face it. You're average at best. Your record proves it. Your BCS bowl game even suggests you're less than that. My God, you can't beat your Big East opponent more than once in the last 9 years?

You sound like Al Bundy, constantly talking about the four touchdowns you scored in one high school game. It's getting old. Just like your fleeting memories of glory. Old.

this is one I was wrong on, I obviously didnt get to see the game... but in my preseason predictions I dont think Ill be too kind to Miami. Not like it was an embarassing loss, but I think this was their chance for a statement and they missed it. though the acc is a weekly toss up, and miami (if the mags are to be believed) has its share of talent.

With sanchez, the coordinators, and the entire D leaving, SC will be as 'down' as they will have been in recent memory next year- could it be the time for a Duck/Beaver/Bear Rose Bowl appearance...?

Goose:

You got the Emerald Bowl right. The Canes got it wrong! Should've, could've, would've! Miami has the talent, but not the coaching.

Don't drink the blue & gold kool-aid. USC will always be USC. They reload. The only way another Pac-10 team goes to the Rose Bowl is if USC is in the BCS Championship Game. And in such a scenario, Cal won't be sniffing the roses. No way a team with such a big QUESTION MARK at QB gets it figured out during the spring and summer camps, and rides it all the way to a BCS bowl.

Bottom Line: FLORIDA & FLORIDA STATE SUCK...............BUT CAL SWALLOWS!

Go Canes in '09! Be harsh in your preseason review, Goose.................because nobody cares about you or your scribblings! The SEC is overrated, and benefitting from this screwed up BCS system. With a playoff format, I guarantee that the SEC would not have won the last 3 championships.

Sebastian the Ibis wrote:

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With a playoff format, I guarantee that the SEC would not have won the last 3 championships.

With a playoff format, the SEC would probably win the title game every year. Because the SEC regularly has mroe teams capable of winning a playoff than any other conference. Sure, this year the Big 12 had 2 good teams, but most years its either Texas or Oklahoma. USC is the only other team with a chance.

I think at this point the most fair playoff proposition has to be Little League World Series Styles, where one side of the championship game is determined by the SEC (like the best team in USA automatically makes the LLWS final) and the other bracket is 'world' (meaning Big 12, Pac-10, MWC... and I guess we have to include ACC and Big East).

http://emeraldbowl.cstv.com/genrel/011309aaa.html

The passion of this thread carried over to ESPN's ratings.

The 2008 Emerald Bowl was the 8th highest rated bowl game ever on ESPN.

Goose Too wrote:

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maverick wrote:

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Goose is in New Zealand. He'll be back on the 5th or 6th.

Worse than I originally thought..................he started this and THEN FLED THE COUNTRY!

Interesting how THE NATION doesn't have Cal on their football radar. Yet Berkeley believes they've arrived!

Cal's irrelevant and losing to them is still not acceptable. Wasn't acceptable in the 80s, wasn't acceptable in the 90s, and still not acceptable in 2008/2009. Yet Cal fan, like a little dog that considers itself tough (ie: annoying yap and snap, but nothing more), can't see beyond their conference comfort zone. Because Cal thinks Cal's good, and perhaps because 0-12 Washington "feared the Bear", Cal fan can't understand why the rest of the country won't sip their blue & gold kool-aid. Cal tells us how relevant they are, while the rest of the country says NOT!

Get over it Berkeley. Losing to you is like losing to an Appalachian State. Not expected............and not accepted!

Ahhh, Goose Too, you just don't get it. Okay, here's more proof that Cal's victory should have been "expected," and should definitely be "accepted."

I've compiled the Sagarin composite rankings for every team in every BCS conference from 2003-2008. I took each conference team's individual end-of-season composite rankings, added them up to determine a conference total, and divided that number by the number of teams in the conference to determine a conference average.

Here are the Sagarin composite rankings by conference from 2003-2008:

1. SEC: 78.34
2. Pac 10: 78.08
3. Big 12: 77.14
4. ACC: 77.09
5. Big 10: 75.93
6. Big East: 74.58

Notice something? Yes, the Pac 10 ranks #2 and the ACC ranks #4. Going into the 2008 season, the Pac 10 was #1 (78.62 v. 78.19), but Washington and Washington State's miserable seasons dragged the Pac 10 down a notch. Still think the Pac 10 is weak? The facts say otherwise. Still think the ACC is tough? The facts say otherwise.

Here's some more good stuff. Here are the ACC teams' Sagarin composite rankings from 2003-2008, along with Cal's composite ranking for the same time frame. In rank order, they are as follows:

1. Virginia Tech 85.41
2. Cal 83.63
3. Florida State 82.58
4. Boston College 80.74
5. Clemson 80.32
6. Miami 80.12
7. Maryland 77.80
8. Georgia Tech 77.61
9. Virginia 77.18
10. Wake Forest 76.17
11. North Carolina 71.17
12. NC State 74.47
13. Duke 61.48

As you can see, Cal has been better than 11 of the ACC's 12 teams over the past six years. In fact, Cal's composite ranking from 2003-2008 places it 11th in the country, behind USC, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia.

I'm not sure what else you ACC fans need to know to bring you back to earth, but I'll summarize the facts for your edification:

1. Your conference ranks #4 of the 6 BCS conferences;
2. Your teams have won only half of their bowl games;
3. Your conference champion has gone 1-8 against its Big East opponent in its BCS game; and
4. Cal, #11 over the past six years but still an allegedly "irrelevant" Pac 10 team, not only beat one of your precious "BIG TIME" teams from your "BIG TIME" conference on a "BIG TIME" media stage, but has actually outperformed 11 of the 12 football programs in your "BIG TIME" conference over the past six years.

The college football nation mocks the ACC for good reason, and I think I've laid it out quite clearly. Not only do your teams stink, but you fans lack comprehensive football knowledge if you actually believe the Bears sneaked up on the college football stage.

ACC fans, the first step to recovery is full acceptance of the truth. Just accept the undeniable truth that, over the past six years, the ACC has been weak. If you can't accept this simple truth, you'll continue to be the biggest joke of the BCS, next to the Big East, of course. Oh, wait, they've beaten you 8 times in the last 9 years. I guess the joke's on you.

As for my Bears, they're doing just fine (as the record shows), and the Golden Bear Nation aspires for greater things. With a top 25 recruiting class, a state-of-the-art training center under construction, lots of returning starters, and Mark Sanchez's declaration of eligibility for the NFL draft, Cal smells Trojan blood and will be a legitimate title contender next year and for many years to come, instead of sharing it as it did in 2006.

BTW, congratulations to the Gators. The better team won, but Oklahoma was no pushover. Both teams' defenses deserve a lot of credit. In the end, though, two BCS championships in the past three years is downright awesome.

Gotta love college football. Bring on '09!

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BTW, congratulations to the Gators. The better team won, but Oklahoma was no pushover. Both teams' defenses deserve a lot of credit. In the end, though, two BCS championships in the past three years is downright awesome.

Gotta love college football. Bring on '09!

Thanks, since I went to every game, I'll take full credit for that...

Thought you missed the SECCG?

Listen, I traveled five hours. I watched the game outside because of the ridiculous scalper prices. I was there in spirit...

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Listen, I traveled five hours. I watched the game outside because of the ridiculous scalper prices. I was there in spirit...

What was that? In all that whining all I heard was 'I watched it from the ladies room'.

You had already made the commitment to go every week! It's liked you bailed on the dream at the end. Once you were already in for the trips to Fayetteville, etc. you were so close. but you came up short! You will probably never come that close again, unless you get to write a book like Clay Travis' UT book he supposedly is writing on this past season of UT football or something else crazy.

I didn't bail at all. I was a poor college student that didn't win tickets through the school. Furthermore, it just so happened to be the biggest SECCG ever, and prices skyrocketed