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Written by JB   
Sunday, 18 October 2009

Maybe if I wasn't a passionate fan, I would think it was a good game yesterday.

But I only like to see my team win blowouts. Anything close is too much for my heart, and my family history of cardiovascular disease.

The good news: Practically everything that could have gone wrong for UF did... and we pulled out the W. Urban, Tebow, Spikes and the rest of the team leaders can point to this game they way they used Ole Miss to fuel our juggernaut-ish late October - November a year ago.

The bad news: Are we sure we want to be happy about the previous sentences? It was fairly frightening to see us: struggle in the opponent's territory; have, at times, an extremely predictable offense; more miscues in the passing game (at least one drop, Tebow and receivers not on same page); struggle both with the pass rush and with opening holes for our spritely running backs.

Let me dive into some of these points a little more:

What's up with the passing game?

The stats were there, for the most part... but Tebow was running for his life quite often (to the line's credit, on several occasions I thought Timmy bailed on the pocket too soon). And Cooper had one bad drop, despite the fact he and Hernandez seem to be our only 'go-to' guys. We were also bailed out by Arkansas' defense forgetting Deonte Thompson was alive (don't worry, Hogs... I forgot about him, too).

Who's to blame for the miscues? We have a new coordinator, and lost our two best receivers from a year ago. Our quarterback might have healed from his concussion, but he also lost most of 2 weeks of practice in the process. Deonte Thompson's had a hamstring injury, and Riley Cooper has missed time in-season with sickness and out-of-season with baseball.

I'm not sure how much each of these things contribute to the overall body, but this is the stretch of the schedule we are supposed to be figuring it out. Is a road game in the SEC the place to do it? Mississippi State will be playing its own version of the Super Bowl... with cowbells. If we can throw the ball on Georgia, does it mean anything? Crompton looked like Drew Brees against those guys.

I don't doubt that we can run through our regular season schedule with a largely one-dimensional offense, and I was glad to see we at least committed to let Tebow and company work out some semblance of a passing attack. We need to continue to improve as a football team, because as presently constituted we will have problems with the championship games we could be playing in December and January.

In all, I don't think the passing game is where it needs to be... but it's not so broken that it couldn't get going as soon as next week. I've seen enough to think we are capable of putting it together, but it'd be nice to see it actually come together.

Is it pathetic to bring up the officiating?

In almost all cases, yes. Bad calls happen, but in close games you always have your own opportunity to win the game. The worst officiating anyone's ever seen (well, I don't remember the 5th down game except from replays) was the 2003 UF-FSU game. There were 4 or 5 bad calls that directly led to TD-swings in the score. And in the end, we still had the chance to win the game, and blew it.

Back to this game: We'd been driving the ball most of the game, only stopping ourselves with turnovers. On Jeff Demps' scoring TD run, he could have run for another 30 or 300 yards without anyone tackling him. I don't like almost any pass interference calls, and will readily admit it was questionable that they called that during that drive. But to claim that call is single-handedly responsible for your loss... you're just not being honest with yourself. Be glad for the gift of a first half the Gators gave you, but you weren't hosed by any stretch of the imagination.

The referees didn't allow Demps to get free on his game winning score, just as the didn't allow Thompson to streak wide open for his TD. The referees weren't the ones responsible for tackling Tebow, as he carried the entire Gator Nation on his back to get Caleb Sturgis set up for the game-winner. And the referees were not responsible for blowing the upset for you, Hog fans.

So the answer is 'yes'. I would expect to be called &pathetic& if I were (1) Saying the referees were responsible for a score when they did not make a call that directly resulted in points or (2) siding with Terrell Owens that the 'refs are cheaters'. If you're more than 8 years old, I expect you to be able to see that one or two plays are not responsible for the entire outcome of a game. At some point, your team has to rise above all that. In this case, the Gators rose above their own adverse circumstances, the Hogs did not.

What's the verdict?

Close games such as these happen in every season. Which doesn't make me feel better that it happened. Was it an aberration, or am ominous sign of things to come? We survived and advanced on a day that Oklahoma lost their QB, potentially for good this time... Ohio State lost... Texas won by a FG... Virginia Tech lost... and USC barely won as well.

So yeah, a W is a W.

We're moving on to the next round of college football's 3-month long playoff.

 

Last Updated ( Sunday, 18 October 2009 )
 
Discuss (21 posts)
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 18 2009 18:24:30
This is the worst logic i have ever heard: first, Demps score wasn't the gaming winning score....the field goal was. Secondly, there were 3 significant penalties that went against the hogs, the defensive pass-interference that wasn't, the personal foul that wasn't, and the no-call offensive pass interference. To say that bad calls didn't have any result on the game is ludicrious.

The gators won the game because of these things...not because of the way they played.
#2652
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 18 2009 21:27:40
Clearly it was close. But the Gators won because they played better than R-Kansas did.
#2653
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 18 2009 21:29:05
Off topic... but did an one see Cincinnati's back up QB? He was scrambling like a maniac, freaking teleporting around.
#2654
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 00:34:35
I must have missed it when a referee threw a flag and said

"Penalty on the Hogs... Don't remember what it is... Penalty will be enforced by giving a win to the Gators".

Did that happen?

Seriously, we were moving the ball all day, and bad calls happen. But none were on so critical a play you can claim them as "the reason" for your loss. How about blaming your own missed FG, or the way Mallett was inaccurate in the second half... or the defense's inability to stop us all day, save for the extraordinary number of times we shot ourselves in the foot?
#2655
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 00:58:16
Look at the play. On the "defensive pass interference" it was third-and-long. Had that extremeley late flag not been thrown, Florida would have been forced to punt right then, and Demps wouldn't even had the chance to put up his touchdown-scoring-run.

And on that note, there were two Arkansas players very close to him in the end zone, so no, he would not have made that run 30 more yards.

The referees threw this game. You can't even argue against it.
#2656
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 01:06:23
razorhog wrote:
QUOTE:

The referees threw this game. You can't even argue against it.


You're right. It's much more likely that there's some crazy conspiracy to get Arkansas to lose football games... does it include filming the moon landing and the Kennedy assassination? Maybe Area 51 is involved?

And it's not at all likely that there was a bad call that this Arkansas team was unable to overcome.

Florida faced adversity. And was led on a game-winning drive by their QB, who possesses legendary leadership skills. If what you're telling me is true, your team lacks the maturity to deal with the adversity that will come over a 12, 13 or even 14 game college football season.

Point your finger at your own team. Point it at the blown coverage that left Deonte Thompson wide open. Point it at the kicker who missed a critical FG. Point it at Ryan Mallett, who buckled under pressure and lost the ability to complete passes in the second half.
#2657
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 01:37:09
I never said that we didn't make a ton of mistakes and shoot ourselves in both feet. There were several occasions when we could have played better and won the game outright. Yes, our offense shut down in the second half. Yes, we had 3 recovered fumbles in the first half and only scored off of one. Yes, Alex Tejada missed two field goals.

However, exactly as we played, we should have won that game. You take away one of those two penalties and we win. Both of them were thrown several seconds after the play was over and by referees that were nowhere near the action.
#2658
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 06:04:48
It is really late right now, so I'll keep this short and have further discussion tomorrow.

Let's just say hypothetically that the defensive pass interference doesn't get called and Florida does punt. That still doesn't mean the game was decided. There was plenty of time left in the game for Florida to score on their next possession. Therefore, your logic is flawed razorhog.

As for the other two penalties, those are the types that can go either way and alot of times don't even get called because referees simply can't watch every player simultaneously. Just sucks that it went the Dullbacks way.

This game came down to who had the better field goal kicker basically. Caleb Sturgis is a Gator Hero.
#2659
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 14:37:36
Sorry, "exactly as you played" is "exactly what happened" which resulted in a Gator win.

You had a tough call go against you. It wasn't the first time and won't be the last. Your team still could not keep Demps out of the end zone (given our red zone woes, surprising, eh?), could not make a FG, and could not stop Tebow from carrying his team down the field for the GW FG. The officials did not alter the score.
#2660
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 15:41:40
Just like Florida fans to dismiss the refs bad calls when the game goes their way, and to blame the refs when things don't happen the way they wanted it.

I refer to the TN game. On this same board, (read "review" for the game), the author is completely unapologetic about blaming the refs for TN scoring their only TD that game. 'Cause, you know, TN was gonna get beat 60-0 right? The only reason that it was so close was the refs, right?

Props to the author for giving credit to TN's secondary, but there is an entire blurb dedicated to the refs, and one sentence dedicated to the secondary.

So yes, the refs helped you to win a game. At least in the 90's Spurrier would acknowledge it. "Boy, we sure did steal that one."
#2661
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 16:12:19
The TN game is different. I think Jaye Howard was an idiot to get up and call traveling, or whatever his little celebration was.

I blame that TD on Tebow's late fumble more than the officials. And I can't blame the officials for calling someone for a penalty when they do, in fact, celebrate.

Regardless of how the Vols got into the red zone, it is the fault of the Florida defense to give up a TD in that situation.

The Hogs got the raw end of a bad call. but your defense should be good enough to man up, and force us into a FG or otherwise keep us out of the end zone.

You do your team a disservice when you place the blame anywhere else. You need to demand excellence out of your team, and the maturity to overcome a bad call here and there, or (in our case Saturday) an entire half of football of not being able to hold onto the ball.

Your team will be better in the long run if you hold them accountable for this loss, rather than playing to your team's and your own immaturity and blaming the officials.
#2662
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 16:22:43
you're right about admitting it.

I think that's all the Arkanas Fans are looking for.
You Arkansas folks probably went into that game wishing you could pull off the upset, but were fully expecting to lose by close to 20pt's, (as you should if you're unranked and are playing the country's #1 ranked team at their home.)

But they didn't beat you by 20.
You lost by 3. Your QB missed your FB in the corner. That would have been 6. Your kicker should be benched for the season. And yes, there were bad calls on both sides, but like you suggest, the vast majority favored UF.

So you lost. Big deal. You played well! Very well. You should be the one proud. not angry because of the Refs. The country knows, they maded/missed more than a few calls... the result of which Did alter the game in UF's favor. Only the youthful deadhard from Florida will admit it. But you should get over it. Even if the UF fans admit it, it changes nothing!

UF fans, you should not be So proud. Your team should not be #1, #2, or #3.
Sad, Sad proformance. You have a GREAT leader at QB. At GREAT RB in Demps. But the rest of your team has been exposed. And now without Spikes, your middle of the pack at defense at best. You have an EXTREMELY easy schedule with the exception of the LSU game. Arkansas made you look very overrated. Whether you admit it or not. The rest of the country thinks so. It was even addressed by the cast on Sports Center.

I'm not an SEC fan but I can't wait to see you and BAMA in Atlanta.

"Show Grace and it shall be shown to you. Walk with Pride and you will be laughed at by all when you fall."
#2663
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 16:50:47
D2, not sure I follow all of your points.

We benefitted from a bad call. but it was not a call that gave us points. Arkansas could have manned up and forced us into 3 and out after that. Or kept Demps out of the end zone. or any number of things.

Games are not decided by the referees. Bad calls can happen to either side, and your team better be equipped, mentally, to bounce back from that and prevent one bad thing (a PI call) from turning into a worse thing (giving up the tying TD).

We needed some luck, and a lot of maturity, to squeeze out a win when we looked as bad as we've looked in 2 years. It was fantastic for us to get a win out of that, and I really didn't intend to dwell on this game this long.

I'm ready to try to finish off our SEC West demons and hopefully come out of Starkville with a W. I'm not concerned with the AP poll or anything like that. If we keep winning, survive and advance, we'll get our shot at Alabama (if they keep winning as well) or Texas or whoever else.

And by that time, I hope we've found more consistency in the passing game, have plugged our gaping hole in the center of our defense, and have learned to hold onto the football again.
#2664
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 19 2009 18:23:29
Couple of things...
I'm not a hog fan.
I follow a small school in Chicago. Wheaton Thunder. (We have our only problems; can't get past Mt Union!)

There was more than one bad call.
There was the Def PI call in the end zone.
It was followed by (same drive, two plays later) the Personal Foul on Arkansas's #95 or #96.. can't remember. After the play the UF ran into the UA player. The UA player got the better end of the hit. Even ole Verne Lundquest thought that call went the wrong way. Then there was the Offensive PI that wasn't called on your Cooper guy (the announcer went on and on about that one.) And there was that block below the knees crap on the kick. Bottom line is there was a substancial amount of them.

I don't expect you to recognize, or especially acknowledge, the calls (or no calls)that went against Your team.

I'm just saying... the Rest of the country did.

All I'm really saying, from an outsider's standpoint, is a little humbleness should be in order you UF fans; not the cockiness I'm seeing on these boards.

Good Day....
#2665
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 20 2009 02:49:07
D2, don't know what you want from me.

I said there were bad calls.

But for anyone to blame the refs for their team's loss is childish and not really being truthful with themselves. They are bad breaks, and none of the calls you mention involve points on the board. And points are how teams win games. So I'm gonna go ahead and say the refs did not impact the outcome.

A great team overcomes adversity. Sometimes that is in the form of a bad call or two against them, sometimes it is with a bad bounce on a punt, and sometimes it's against

You won't hear me blame refs. The supreme test for me is the 2003 UF-FSU game... so I just mention it as the worst officiated game ever. But we still had our chances to win, and came up short. Just as Arkansas had their chances and lost.

Here is the best example I can think of:

Under Zook, losses or bad games were all about the excuse 'well we out gained them, but fumbled too much', 'well they called a personal foul on Dallas Baker but he was just hitting the guy back, 'well, our defense was on the field too long'. Under Meyer, it's all about the W. Crazy things happen in football games, you better be ready to absorb some of those things that will inevitably go against you. Or you're just not ready for the prime time.

A Zook team folds after the terrible luck with holding onto the ball we had in the first half. A Meyer team pulls it together, after almost everything possible has gone wrong, enough to where when we catch a break or two it shows up on the scoreboard.

Referees don't decide games. Players do.
#2668
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 20 2009 05:58:15
Well, another late night for me, so a few quick points.

REFEREE'S DON'T DECIDE GAMES, PLAYERS DO!

And for those who say that Florida shouldn't be #1, why don't you take a look at the Coaches Poll, the Harris Poll and the BCS Computers. How come they all say Florida is number 1? Hmm, I guess those just doesn't stack up to the almighty powerful AP POLL. Poppycock!

The short and sweet of it, and all that really matters is the Gators are 6-0. I don't see Alabama passing the Gators unless they beat them in the SEC Title Game or unless every single game from here on out goes like the Arkansas game.

Everyone needs to stop making excuses and saying the Gators were lucky. I wouldn't call that last drive by Tebow lucky. That was pure determination and drive to win it.

Nuff said, Sundown out.
#2669
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 20 2009 12:43:45
I agree with sundown. POPPYCOCK!
#2670
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 20 2009 15:07:25
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/4817/sec-admits-penalty-shouldnt-have-been-called

Like I said... the rest of the country disagrees with you.

I think this is why you have the best conference in the country. You guys are so passionate about your teams. You'll never admit you were bested. I'm just having fun pouring fuel on the fire!!!
#2671
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 20 2009 15:10:43
I'm not disputing the validity of the calls...

But the calls don't decide the outcome of the game.
#2672
Re:Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 20 2009 15:46:24
D2 Guy wrote:
QUOTE:
the rest of the country disagrees with you


I think it's a matter of "the rest of the country WANTS to disagree with us" because we're Florida. Of course, everyone hates on the teams that's on top, it's natural. (See Miami '83-'94, USC '03-'07).

The real argument here is whether or not you can blame a loss on the refs. I think everyone on this board agrees that there were some iffy calls that fell in the lap of Florida. However, you can't go on a say that determined the game.

Arkansas failed to stop Tebow & Co on many 3rd down opportunities on that last drive. Before that, they missed a field goal late in the game to put their team ahead. Before that, they failed to move the ball further down the field to give their kicker a better opportunity. Before that, they failed to stop Jeff Demps from running 10 yards for a touchdown. Before that, they failed to cover Deonte Thompson on a 70+ yard touchdown. Before that, they failed to convert on all of the fumbles that Florida gave them.

Do you see where I am going with this? They had their opportunities to beat Florida and they didn't. Florida scored more points than Arkansas. That's why they lost...
#2673
Florida Gators beat Arkansas: A W is a W
Oct 20 2009 18:03:01
There really is no fire here D2. Your statement as toward the "rest of the country disagrees with you" is very ambiguous.

We all agree that there were good and bad calls on both sides of the football. No one is being ignorant to that fact. It happens in every football game, some more than others.

And I'd just like to bring back a previous point you made. Arkansas did not make us look overrated. Arkansas was the leading offensive team in the conference before this game. They are a much better team than anyone gives them credit for. Just because as coach Petrino put "we didn't show up for the Alabama game", doesn't make them such a terrible team if you look at that game. You have to look at the whole body of work which is impressive considering their previous win over Auburn.

What this game came down to was who took capitalized on mistakes and who didn't. One team had a QB drive them down the field for a score and the other one couldn't.

Caleb Sturgis is a Machine, except on kickoffs haha.
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