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Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock PDF Print E-mail
Written by James Brown   
Sunday, 31 January 2010

I have never and will never understand the NFL talking heads. They are so sure about their draft analysis, and yet you get guys like Tom Brady- not exactly an under-the-radar prospect, considering he came from Michigan.

Since Tim Tebow has left Florida, the anti-Tebow (as an NFL QB) sentiment has grown louder- and probably will continue to grow louder over the next several years.

Critics point to his mishandling of snaps during Senior Bowl practices, and his elongated delivery. Let's explore what we really learned from the Senior Bowl, and how it should effect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock.

Here's a small list of some things we knew about Tim Tebow as a quarterback:

  1. Unparalleled leadership skils, work ethic, and &intangibles&.
  2. Elongated throwing motion and otherwise non-traditional throwing mechanics.
  3. Inexperience playing under center- meaning footwork and snap-handling needs work.
  4. Inexperience throwing NFL routes, as Florida's (efficient, dominant, pick your word) offensive system is not used in the NFL.

And here's what we know about Tim Tebow as a quarterback after a week of practice at the Senior Bowl, and after the game yesterday:

  1. Work ethic: ESPN's Todd McShay- among others- have suggested that Tebow would have been better served NOT taking this opportunity to work with an NFL snap, and to improve his game. Anyone who has followed Tebow over the last 4 years knows that this was not an option. The argument for drafting Tebow has been, and continues to be, that the skills he possesses are things these other quarterbacks will never get, while your projection of Tebow as an NFL washout is a bet against his work ethic. Put simply: if you're familiar at all with this player, this is not a bet you would make.
  2. Throwing mechanics: My goodness, did you see that throwing motion? It was long! It was sort of sidearm! It was NO FUCKING SURPRISE as it was exactly what we've seen for the last several years. At least until you view this video of Tebow throwing in high school. Some have taken that video and pointed to it as a regression- not an improvement. I look at it and say it means there is something there for an NFL coach to work with. If they are worth anything as a coach, and really think the throwing is an issue, is this really all that uncorrectable? This isn't a diminutive college player that's faced questionable defenses. This is 240 lbs. of concrete cyanide- plenty of size and mobility to find a way to make either this motion work, or to improve it some but STILL MAKE IT WORK.
  3. Playing under center: Tebow exhibited problems with footwork, etc. playing under center. He played in the shotgun almost exclusively at Florida. This was news? Mike Leach thinks NFL guys ought to be able to teach quarterbacks to run backwards. He went on to call it &the most pitiful NFL cop-out of all&. As an aside, I need someone smarter than me in regard to this non-innovative NFL offense everyone must be running to explain something: what's the argument against the shotgun? Look at this play-by-play, Peyton Manning seems to be in the shotgun fairly often- against a &dominating& defense that many of you NFL fans thought would carry the Jets to the Super Bowl. In fact the (shotgun) designation appears quite often in this play-by-play as well. And these were the most important games involving (in Minny, Indy, and N'awlins) a few of the best offenses in the No Fun League. Seriously, what gives?
  4. Inexperience with NFL routes: Again, something we saw this week, which was IN NO WAY UNEXPECTED. How this could negatively impact a draft stock is beyond me. I may be a huge Gator homer, but I know Tebow doesn't always hit guys in stride, or is not 100% accurate- though I will stand up for him and note his completion percentages, and the way he has been able to complete ridiculous numbers of passes in a row when locked in. Anyway, I know this wasn't the best aspect of this game- but I saw improvement in this over his time at Florida! The Alabama game, when it got away from us early, was in no way his fault. He was nailing guys in the chest (notably Jeff Demps, on a play I am convinced would have gone for a TD), and otherwise came out on fire. It seems the rest of the guys weren't up for that huge stage (or, weren't feeling the all-white look. I still blame the unis.) And again in the Sugar Bowl, his accuracy- in the NFL tight-window sense, not in the merely completing-the-pass sense- got better. Something to work with, something we've known, and not something the Senior Bowl should have negatively impacted.

So where does all this leave us in regard to Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock, post-Senior Bowl? Right where it was, pre-Senior Bowl. If ANYONE who has ever cashed a check evaluating NFL talent saw something from the Senior Bowl they DID NOT ALREADY EXPECT, they should immediately be forced to find a new career. That sort of ineptitude wouldn't be accepted in a business outside of the sports world, why should the scouts and draft gurus be held to a lower standard?

I am also furious at the NFL, in general, for their disregard of things that work in the college game- until they are adopted and we all get beaten over the head with this &new& offensive philosophy (see: Wildcat (noun)).... but I'll save that vitriol for another time. I've touched on it before around these parts. The reason it's relevant here? I'm also, from a &we're supposed to be running our sports teams as the multi-billion enterprises they are& stand point, angry about the way NFL teams evaluate QBs in general.

I tried to make the central argument here: If your job (being a &franchise QB&) is so difficult that only 12-15 guys out of thousands (how many draft-eligible QBs a year, for the last 15 years or so?) can complete this job- and that job is so intimately tied with the success of your team/business... well, you something has to give. The executives (and coaches) of these teams should be held to a higher standard, and be able to generate a consistent, winning product independent of whether or not they hit the lotto with one of these &few in a decade&-type QBs that fit into their prototype. Note to NFL guys: if Tim Tebow, the ultimate winner/leader, with the ultimate work ethic, is a square peg in a round hole... well, I'd start making my hole a square.

I tried to make that last point several different ways without leaving you an opening to crack jokes about my hole. Oh well.

 

 

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Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Effect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Jan 31 2010 18:42:56
Keep dreaming gator fans, because you will never see Timmy leading an NFL team.

If you can't throw an 18 yrd seam route to a tightend or slot reciever then you can't play quarterback in the NFL.

The best part about all of this: most of you probably ripped Vince Young every chance you could.

VY already has a dozen fourth quarter game winning drives in 2 and a half seasons of play. 26-13.
#2940
Re:Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Effect Tim Tebow
Jan 31 2010 18:58:15
Tebow is much better than Young. He's also much better than Alex Smith.

To think Tebow won't get his chance is asinine.

I just hope he gets in the right situation where he can develop, because no one is saying he's an NFL star today. He has the makeup to be an NFL star tomorrow, with the right development.
#2941
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Effect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Jan 31 2010 19:48:37
Not a Florida fan or a Tebow follower yet I hope he proves all the doubters wrong. The NFL is full of people who never where supposed to make it there according to the so called "experts"... who many have not even attempted a pass in the league.
#2942
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Effect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 01 2010 04:57:59
"Coach, what do you think about Tim Tebow?" "He is who I thought he was. That's why they took the field! Now if you wanna crown him, then crown him, but he is who I thought he was, and I ain't letting him off the hook!"
#2943
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Effect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 01 2010 05:01:15
You make a few good points, and honestly I wasn't surprised by what I saw in the Senior Bowl.
My main argument is that Tim Tebow should not be touched until the third round. He fits the prototypical third rounder, a great athlete who needs 2-3 years of coaching to become a solid NFL player.
I wouldn't touch him at the top end of the draft because in order for him to be close to effective early in his career I would have to write a completely new offense for him.
#2944
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Effect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 01 2010 05:33:33
I hate to say it, but VY was much better than Tebow. He dominated the biggest games, while Tebow was good for putting up numbers against over matched teams but was very mediocre in the biggest games.
#2945
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Effect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 01 2010 07:05:30
If all else fails, Tim Tebow probably could be a better punter than many doing that job right now, with the added dimension that he actually can run and throw. Or a linebacker. Or a running back. Who knows, maybe a tight end. Oh, did I forget -- a quarterback.

The thing about the NFL draft and the transition from college or the minors to the majors is this: No one knows who is going to make it really, really big, or not. Looking across all of North American professional sports, short of a Kareem, a Larry Bird, a Magic Johnson, a Dick Butkus, who knows in advance how big any young athlete is going to be?

The only absolute sure thing at QB I remember over three decades is John Elway. And that was almost thirty years ago. For the rest of them -- even the great Manning -- it's all hindsight.

Tebow will be worth whatever pick is spent on him, because if he can't succeed at quarterback, he will be willing and able to play a position where he can succeed in the NFL.
#2946
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 01 2010 21:01:06
It is almost amusing the way Tebow is being dismissed before even being given the chance to compete for a position on an NFL team. Forget his weaknesses (which are way-overshadowed by his strengths), and look at some of the quarterbacks playing in the NFL today. How did they get there? By playing more of an "NFL approved style of quarterbacking" in college. It takes alot more than that and Tebow can do it, given the right amount of time and coaching.
#2950
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 02 2010 15:35:29
Tim Tebow is not better then Vince Young.. VY was nasty at Texas. I agree Tebow should and I believe he will get his shot, but he is not as explosive as Vince Young.. Not a chance
#2953
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 02 2010 22:10:41
For those of you who think Tebow should be given a chance to complete for a position, he isn't the first person ever in this situation. There have many dozens of QBs coming from college who have had their skills and "NFL readiness" questioned, and most of them (except for maybe Vince Young) have not been successful. Just look at Troy Smith or Pat White a few years back. I understand that Tebow is one of the greatest college QBs of all time, and he has an incredible work ethic, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he doesn't have good mechanics. Yes, he can develop those mechanics, and it has been tried before with other QBs, but it doesn't always work out. No one is saying that he can't be successful, but it would be a real risk for a team to take him early in the draft. Given all that, I think the doubts about Tebow are completely legitimate.
#2954
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 03 2010 00:02:41
LOL Florida fans are so delusional...If i wanna know the truth about a hack like Teblow then im gonna get a non-biased opinion not one from a website called gatorsfirst.com!!! THis site blows Tebows dick as much as Tebow blows as an NFL QB
#2955
Re:Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow
Feb 03 2010 00:16:51
Tebow is a different animal than most college stat guys or athlete-types. He has no character issues (Troy Smith, VY, etc. can't say the same) and he definitely isn't undersized (Chase Daniel, etc) and he didn't run a straight up option (Pat White, Eric Crouch, etc.)

When you say he's not going to be a good player, you're saying he won't be able to learn to (1) improve the holes in his game and (2) be successful despite those "shortcomings". I'm not willing to say those things, as the kid seems to have the passion and a work ethic like we have rarely (if ever) seen.

The point of this blog was more to point out that we didn't learn anything about Tebow's NFL readiness we didn't know before the Senior Bowl. Anyone who dropped him in their draft ratings because of his performance in Birmingham should be held accountable for performing awfully at their job up until this past week. Whether you have him rated highly or lowly, I can't see anything new that happened last week really changing that rating.
#2956
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 03 2010 05:37:13
His stock went down because those who believed he'd be successful saw his flaws, not because we "discovered" what many people already knew. A strange or elongated delivery is a BIG problem for an NFL QB, and cannot be used. David Carr, a great college QB and #1 overall pick, had a sidearm delivery, and that is one major reason that he failed in the NFL. Tebow's delivery isn't just awkward, it's harmful. He's been fortunate to play for a team with a fantastic offensive line for 4 years (though he only really passed for 3 of those years), so the extra half-second it takes him to get rid of the ball was not a problem. However, you did notice this year that even teams as bad as Florida State managed to force a fumble or two from him, and it's because Tebow, while a strong-runner, does not do a great job of protecting the football when he goes to pass. QBs fumble. Hell, Aaron Rodgers's fumble cost the Packers a chance at victory in the Wild Card Round. The thing is, Rodgers fumbled with a pretty-standard delivery and timing. Had it been Tebow, there wouldn't have even been a chance of getting the ball out...Tebow winds up like a starting pitcher and not like a quarterback.

One thing that isn't pointed out about Tebow that will hurt him in the NFL is that he has little speed for a mobile quarterback. QBs like Michael Vick and Daunte Culpepper and Donovan McNabb (at least early in his career before he came into his own as a passer) had the saving grace of being mobile AND strong, allowing them to avoid and bust through NFL defenders. Tebow is a straight-run guy. His offensive line got him 3 yards, he broke 1 tackle, and fell forward for 2-3 more yards. That won't work in the NFL. NFL players are too strong, too fast, and the talent at O-line is too spread-out to be able to pull that off. So, if he can't develop as a passer, and quickly, he'll be sitting on the bench or at home after 3 seasons.

QBs don't get the amount of time to develop now that they used to. JaMarcus Russell has already been ousted (essentially) after going #1 overall, Brady Quinn has never had a full chance after going around #10 overall, and then there are QBs who get drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds who never or barely see the playing field before their team signs and/or drafts another QB (or 2) to replace them (see: Miami Dolphins). College is supposed to prepare you for the real world, and when it comes to QBs, the University of Florida has always failed. Tim Tebow will have his legend in The Swamp, but he'll amount to nothing more than Chris Leak, Rex Grossman, or any other Florida QB ever did in the NFL. It's not because they aren't given the opportunity, it's because the opportunity doesn't last long enough for them to develop the skills other young QBs developed in college.
#2958
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 03 2010 18:52:48
If someone who is "worth anything as a coach" could correct his throwing motion and turn it into something recognizable as practical and efficient, then why didn't Urban Meyer drop a few hints here and there?

Saying his "work ethic" will automatically make him a good quarterback in the NFL with enough time is ridiculous. Everyone has there talent plateau where they simply cannot get any better at an activity. If he were truly that talented as a passer, don't you think some of that would have shown? He's good at being a big bruiser of a runner who was used to balance out speedy guys who can run the ball outside. In the NFL, that's called a fullback.
#2961
Re:Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 03 2010 20:42:46
His throwing motion was fine for college.

College coaches also get a limited amount of time with players. Tebow worked on the throwing motion with Loeffler, and it may have improved in drills -when he was concentrating on it- but in games he lapsed to his habitual motion. It's correctable, and if it's the only thing lacking in his game (it is) and it's 100% necessary (debatable) someone will get it corrected enough. He doesn't have to have a perfect motion, just a better one, and one that he can use successfully in the NFL game.
#2962
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 06 2010 17:31:45
You neglected to mention the greatest obstacle facing Tebow: His lack of experience reading defenses. In Florida's spread formation offense, the reads were generally made pre-snap and the pass options were few - generally a primary route and a secondary route. Any other options were improvised on the run.

In the NFL, Tebow is not only going to have to master the footwork involved in dropping back from center, he's going to have to learn to make pre-snap reads AND reads in the pocket. Likewise, NFL offenses have multiple options, not just a primary and secondary receiver. Throw in the fact that NFL defenses are light-years ahead of college defenses in terms of disguising coverages and Tebow has a very steep learning curve.

A more accurate analysis of Tebow's obstacles would be:

1. Learning to read NFL defenses. Going from Florida's spread offense which is predicated on out-talenting opponents to an even playing field of NFL competition is going to be like graduating from kindergarten to Harvard.

2. Bad mechanics. This is something that he may or may not be able to improve and/or overcome. And if it's so easy to correct bad mechanics, then why havent't they been corrected by now given Tebow's work ethic and Meyer's coaching prowess?

If Tebow cannot change and quicken his delivery, NFL DBs are fast enough, smart enough and/or experienced enough to make it extremely difficult for Tebow to get the ball where it needs to go before a DB jumps the route. These guys are going to be licking their chops every time Tebow gets behind center.

3. Inaccuracy. Again, a function of bad mechanics and being able to get away with them against inferior competition in college. Against Alabama and the few other good college defenses he faced, Tebow didn't have the room for error in terms of accuracy. This will be an even bigger problem in the NFL if Tebow doesn't improve drastically.

4. The skills that made Tebow great in college don't necessarily translate to the NFL. His size, strength and speed enabled him to dominate the college game, especially given the talent around him compared to oppponents' talent. Defenses had to respect his ability to run which opened up the passing game. In the NFL, linebackers are bigger, faster and stronger than Tebow, therefore his ability to run is going to be neutralized and defenses will be able to run THEIR gameplan - NOT scheme for Tebow's skillset like college defenses had to.

That said, I have learned never to rule out any prospect's ability to make it at the next level. Tebow has proven that he's a winner in college and that he has good leadership skills. Didn't do much for Gino Toretta, Danny Wuerffel, Ken Dorsey and a whole host of other very successful college QBs who had a world of talent around them at the college level and couldn't translate college success to NFL success, but that doesn't mean Tebow can't overcome the odds.

But they are very long odds.
#2965
Re:Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow
Feb 06 2010 22:23:56
I sort of excluded some of the arguments concerning "adapting to making NFL reads" and "talent level" as no prospect entering the draft is a lock to be able to do these things, and certainly none of them have played against NFL teams.

I think comparisons with Wuerffel, et al are lazy- because a lot of the reasons they were not high picks were because of physical limitations, which Tebow does not have.

He's certainly a special case and no lock for NFL greatness. No one is.

What separates the guys who make it and the guys who don't (not entirely, but certainly not to such a small level as to be dismissed) are how they handle adversity, how they work to adapt to that next level, and opportunity. We don't yet know if Tebow will go to a good situation as far as his development is concerned. We do know he as well adjusted to handle hard work and adversity as any prospect, ever.

I'm not arguing he should go #1 in the draft. I'm pointing out the laziness of being so dismissive of his chances and making ill-fitting analogies to current and past players. And mostly I'm pointing out the lunacy that his going to the Senior Bowl, and thus not backing away form criticism or a chance to improve, somehow should have lowered his draft stock. I'm pointing out that a week in Mobile didn't expose any new flaws in Tebows game. I'm pointing out that Todd McShay is, in the popular Message Board vernacular, a douche.
#2967
Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 13 2010 03:04:16
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. You are an idiot if you think you know more than people who do this for a living. If you could do there job better then you would not be sitting in your moms basement writing bad article like this. This article is a joke
#2984
Re:Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow's NFL Draft Stock
Feb 13 2010 04:17:00
It's not his mom's basement, it's his guest bedroom...
#2985
Re:Why the Senior Bowl Should Not Affect Tim Tebow
Feb 13 2010 05:30:35
I didn't say I know better than them. I have an opinion that betting against Tebow is a very, very bad bet. But that was secondary to the point of this blog.

The point here was that no one should be able to say 'Tebow's stock dropped after the Senior Bowl'. What the fuck were you watching over the last 4 years if you saw anything new? The only point in making statements like that is to drum up interest. The fact is, the Senior Bowl was largely uneventful as far as proving Tebow's mettle one way or the other. His flaws were there for all to see- but they have been in every game he's played.

All I said was that if someone really had done any sort of work before the Senior Bowl, assigned Tebow some sort of draft stock (which is very much a matter of opinion, and I disclose I have a much different opinion than McShay, et al)... then saw his Senior Bowl performance, and were surprised by anything... well, in that case, you ought to return all the checks you cashed for giving him a rating pre-Senior Bowl, as you obviously didn't do your job.

Also, good call with the Mom's basement thing. It's a highly original way of bashing a blogger. You should have at least realized that few-if any- Florida homes have a basement, due mainly to the surface proximity of the Florida Aquifer. Also, I live in Texas. And often blog from a variety of places in a home I own (paid for by doing things that McShay can't do- doesn't mean I can't disagree with him on a matter of opinion), none of which include a basement... and often in my underwear. Ok, too much detail... back to Tebow.

But really, is it that hard to see that no one learned anything new from the Senior Bowl? And that most analogies drawn between Tebow and other failed college stars are lazy and not applicable? It's not physical concerns, and he's not a risk to wash out by having an awful work ethic once he gets paid. He has poor throwing mechanics. Really, Pop Warner coaches can teach kids to throw, but NFL coaches can't fix something? It's also worth noting that said throwing motion has worked fine for him to this point, so fixing it hasn't been a priority until now.
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