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The Curious Case of the NFL QB PDF Print E-mail
Written by JB   
Wednesday, 30 September 2009

 The other day, some of us at gatorsfirst.com got to talking about the NFL- and I mentioned how many current NFL starting QBs are from the SEC.

 
Now, I abhor using NFL performance to argue the greatness of individual college teams and/or players.  For instance, I take ’95 Nebraska as the greatest college team of all time, while many take ’01 Miami based on the NFL talent on the roster.  So I’m not trying to make the conference argument for the SEC based on this data.  In fact, if you think I have to make the argument for the SEC at all, I guffaw in your direction.  The SEC is #1.  That’s a separate debate, that's not really debatable.
 
Let’s get back to looking at the curious case of the NFL QB.
 

 I have been thinking a lot lately about how the NFL uses QBs.  Maybe it’s because of the great Tim Tebow debate.  (Editor’s Note: Gators First has attacked the Tebow Pro question several different ways: here, here, here, and here, to pick a few.)

 
My main beef with the NFL and its use (abuse?) of QBs can be illustrated like this: in any given year, assume there are 30 draft-eligible QBs coming out of the college ranks (it’s well-known that a large percentage of NFL starters- and stars- at this position come from outside of the big schools, so 30 is a fair number).  Over a 15-year period, that’s 450 QBs (yes, there are QBs that play that long) vying for 32 jobs.  So why, over the last 15 years, have we seen probably only 20 good QBs in the NFL?  Undoubtedly, what is asked, physically and mentally, of the NFL QB is a difficult task.  But, to me, if there are only so few people on the planet who can perform such a task, it is time for someone to ask their QBs to perform a slightly different task.
 
So, with QBs on the brain, I thought “Wow, there’s all of a sudden a lot of SEC guys starting at QB in the NFL, I wonder how that compares with other conferences?”  I expected the “non-BCS” crowd to win in a landslide, with Big Ben, Tony Romo, Brett Favre, etc.
 
Here is my counting of starting NFL QBs.  This was done according to school's conference affiliation when player joined the college team (that is, when they were a recruit deciding where to play to lead them to an NFL career).  Note Hasselbeck and Ryan are from BC, and Ryan finished his career in the ACC.  You could add Ryan to the ACC column and it wouldn’t drastically change these numbers.
 
SEC (6): Manning, Manning, Stafford, Russell, Campbell, Cutler
BE (4): Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Ryan
P10 (5): Sanchez, Palmer, Cassell, Rodgers, Edwards
B10 (4): Brady, Collins, Orton, Brees
ACC (3): Hill, Schaub, Rivers
B12 (0): Fail.
Other (10): Favre, Warner, Pennington, Leftwich, Quinn, Garrard,
Flacco, Ben R, Romo, Delhomme
 
As percentages: Other (31.25%), SEC (18.75%), Pac-10 (15.63%), Big
East (12.5%), Big Ten (12.5%), ACC (9.38%), Big XII (0%).
 
First thought: wow, with all the recent talk about Big XII QBs, they sure don’t have the NFL track record right now.  Second thought: my intuition was right about the SEC leading, but it’s closer than I would have thought.
 
Then, I got to thinking that the “starter” moniker was sort of misleading, as there have been injuries and general suckiness that have led to some teams playing multiple QBs so far this year.  
 
This next list consists of backups who have seen action, have started, or are expected to start week 4:
 
SEC (1): Croyle
P10 (2): Boller, Anderson
B10 (1): Henne
B12 (1): Wallace
Other (2): Kolb, Johnson
 
Including these in the percentages from above (39 total &NFL QBs& to date)...
 
Other (30.77%), SEC (17.95%), Pac-10 (17.95%), Big Ten (12.82%), Big
East (10.26%), ACC (7.69%), Big XII (2.56%).
 
So the Big XII finally got on the board, and the Pac-10 pulls even with the SEC as the single conference with the highest number of “NFL QBs”.
 
I assume you could extend this and take all QBs who have made an active roster for an NFL team, or some other criteria.  I think the playing time is a better argument than being on a roster, as I’m sure a lot of guys land on NFL rosters as “projects”, because some coach thinks he can take a guy with outstanding physical attributes and teach him to become an NFL QB.  Which is probably a reason for so many NFL washouts.
 
Could someone possibly take the “big winners” from college, or the QBs with non-traditional skill sets, and build a more consistent NFL winner?  Because the current NFL system seems to just burn through guys’ careers, hoping to find that one franchise QB to build sustained success around.  If somehow that emphasis on the QB was reduced, schematically or otherwise, could an NFL team build itself around a more creative model and succeed?
 
 
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The Curious Case of the NFL QB
Oct 01 2009 10:58:06
you forgot VY
#2615
Re:The Curious Case of the NFL QB
Oct 01 2009 13:28:10
Vince Young hasn't seen the field yet this season. So he wouldn't count in as an NFL starter in 09 OR a NFL backup that's seen time in 09.

I didn't count every QB on every roster, just the ones that have played and/or are expected to start this week.
#2616
The Curious Case of the NFL QB
Oct 01 2009 22:28:52
It gets even more impressive if you break it down into teams.

SEC: All 7 of the guys mentioned are from different schools; Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
PAC: 3 from USC, 2 from Cal, 1 each from Oregon state and Stanford
Big East: 2 from BC, 1 each WVU and Syracuse
Big 10: 2 from Purdue, 2 from Michigan, 1 from PSU
ACC: 1 each from UVA, Maryland, NC ST.
Big XII: 1 from Iowa State

The bigger surprise for me. If we use Brett Favre as the oldest starter and use his time frame starting with his last year in college, 1990.
Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, USC and Michigan have played for and won a national title in that time frame, not necessarily while the QB from there was there. So 7 of the 39 went to a true BIG TIME program where they had a shot at the title. Which means 32 came from a non BCS school, or from a average BCS school.
#2617
Re:The Curious Case of the NFL QB
Oct 13 2009 21:22:30
Of course there are some updates from the last 2 weeks. most notably being the Titans throwing in the towel and running Mr. Young out there Sunday night.

But what I wanted to say today was concerning Colin Cowherd's show this morning.

He was making the point that every (almost every?) NFL team has implemented some wildcat at this point because the coaches don't want to be called out for not trying it... even though it's overall not been nearly as effective as we're led to believe.

It's also hardly new, for people who follow football outside of the uncreative NFL, anyways. But that's also another topic.

But the wildcat movement, at the least, shows that when one person looked outside the normal "pro-set" offense, they were not run out of the league. Probably because they were successful. but that success, then, shows that there are other ways to move the ball than 32 teams running the same offense.

Which sort of ties in with my questioning why someone can't better utilize the pool of eligible QBs to come up with a successful NFL offensive system, to yield a more consistent winner.

New questions I pose to you:

1. If the wildcat gets utilized more and more (and how many times do we hear 'wildcat QB' in NFL draft talk?), how will this effect the NFL's rules and player salary guidelines that tie in with a player's position? Can teams get around the emergency QB rules that have to do with the 3rd string guy? If a guy is listed as an RB but is more valuable than his fellow RB because he's also the 'wildcat QB', how can he negotiate his salary differently? Could you just take Ricky Dobbs (Navy) and list him as a WR, but run 10-15 option plays a game, and not need to worry about the QB rules?

2. by extension from the previous question, could you stash a bunch of spread-option QBs on your roster and counteract the supposed increased injury risk associated with running option plays in the NFL? And if we're seeing Urban Meyer, Gus Malzhan, and Dan Mullen run these (formerly described as) 'gimmicky' offenses in teh SEC - the NFL Lite - how far are we really from getting this kind of innovation in the NFL? And yes I've been terrified of Urban-to-the-Cowboys for over a year now.
#2636
The Curious Case of the NFL QB
Feb 01 2010 19:56:04
Boston College has not been a member of the Big East conference for some time now.

They are actually quite in the ACC, and how they did it wasn't cool.

So you may want to adjust your list a tad and move Matt Ryan, Hasselbeck stays because he came out before that whole fiasco anyway.
#2948
Re:The Curious Case of the NFL QB
Feb 01 2010 20:34:43
Thanks for the feedback Jeff.

If you notice in the column, I do mention the weird case of Matt Ryan...

QUOTE:
Note Hasselbeck and Ryan are from BC, and Ryan finished his career in the ACC. You could add Ryan to the ACC column and it wouldn’t drastically change these numbers.


I decided to leave Ryan in the Big East column, since he started his career in the Big East. You could certainly make an argument that I should put him in either column: that a QB becomes an NFL QB due to the conference he plays in, or that said QB was always destined to become an NFL starter based on his athletic talents (which would impact his recruitment and ultimate college decision). I sort of leaned toward the latter with this blog, as I don't think anyone would argue all those guys from "other" conferences (Tony Romo, Brett Favre, etc.) became NFL QBs because of the competition they faced in their college days.

Had Ryan actually transferred (Joe Flacco, Colt Brennan, etc.) to a different conference, I'd be inclined to move him. It's not as if Matt Ryan himself decided he needed a different sort of competition and made the school jump. But like I said, I could see both sides of the argument- I'm just inclined to think it fits better with the overall themes of the column to leave him under Big East.

Note how little moving the one QB would change the overall stack-up of the numbers, so I just left him in the Big East. It's not meant as a slight to the ACC or to push them one slot down on the list. At the time these numbers were compiled, the SEC was far enough out in front (as a single conference for producing NFL starting QBs) that moving Ryan one way or the other just changes the finish of the 4th through 6th place groups, and doesn't really impact the overall analysis.
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